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    • CommentAuthorFree Membercek1987
    • CommentTimeJun 17th 2008
     
    cek1987

    Need some advice.  I  recently replaced my running shoes - supposedly with the "same" shoe I had - now just looks different with a different name.  I've been miserable since the day I bought them.  I've probably run 50-60 miles in them.  I'm past all the blisters, which I've never really had problems with before, but I feel like the shoes have totally changed my gait.  My legs are sore all the time and I feel like I'm running with 10 lbs weights on each leg.  I've gone through different socks (for the blisters) and some inserts for pain in the ball of my foot (which prompted getting new shoes), which I've since ripped out.  I've decreased my milage and skipped a few races because I feel like I can't run normally anymore.

     

    Is it time to bag it and just get new shoes or keep running hoping that eventually the new muscles with acclimate?  I'd appreciate any thoughts!

    Caty

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdinahsays
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008
     
    dinahsays

    I would definitely say it's time for you to get new shoes!  I'm surprised you put so much distance on them already when they were causing you pain from the beginning.  Have you had your feet professionally checked?  there are special types of shoes made for each type of walker/runner.  If you go to a local running store, the employees are trained to analyze the way you walk to help find the perfect fit!  I never believed it myself, but after i got myself to let the employee see my bare feet, I am a believer!  

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberFloridan
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008 edited
     
    Floridan

    Runner's World 

    You need a new pair of new shoes. I too am amazed that you stuck it out this long. If you run alot or even on a consistent basis which it sounds like you do it's worth your $ to be in the right shoe. Good luck and good running!


    Floridan

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKDogg
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008
     
    KDogg
    what shoes did you have before and which do you have now?
  1.  
    ChiefBeerHound

    Hi Caty-

    You mention that the shoe looks different and has a different name...sure sounds like a different shoe to me. I own a running specialy store and we try to match the runners foot shape, arch height, level of pronation, gait, etc. to the appropriate shoe. Most other running specialty stores do the same thing. Did you buy your shoes at a running specialty store? If not, you should seriously consider going to be properly fit. Most stores will even allow you to bring the shoe back and get a different shoe if you aren't happy with it since it's their job to ensure that it will work for you.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercek1987
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008
     
    cek1987

    Thanks for your responses.  I did get these shoes at a specialty store - the same one I bought my last pair at.  Because my last pair were fine, I basically just went in asking for the same shoe.  My old shoes were Saucony Trigon 4 Guides, the new ones are Saucony Guides - though the inserts say Progrid Triumph 5.  They feel completely different - heavier even. 

    I think ya'll have convinced me to go get some new shoes this weekend.  I might try a different store - I think I've probably run too much in these shoes to try and take them back.  I don't even care about the money, at this point,  I just want my good runs back!

    Thanks again! 

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKDogg
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008 edited
     
    KDogg

    Okay, if they are Triumphs then that is a fairly different shoe from what you had. A Trigon Guide 4 is a mildly supportive shoe, whereas a Progrid Triumph is a very high cushioned (and high priced) neutral shoe.

    My guess is that the blisters are coming from the fact that the Triumph allows you to slightly overpronate inside of the shoe, causing friction which, as you've noticed, leads to blisters. As far as the shoe being a heavier shoe, you are absolutely correct, the Triumph is probably 1.5-2 ounces heavier than a Trigon Guide 4.

    If the shoe you have is a Progrid Guide (no Trigon in the name, just Guide), then that is a very similar shoe to the Trigon Guide, it is as they described a new shoe. The medial support is a little different in the Progrid Guide vs the Trigon Guide, but not significantly so. The weight between the two is also fairly similar, it maybe differs by up to .3-.4 ounces tops (although this is just based off of my personal experiences with the shoes, I have never actually weighed them)

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercek1987
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008 edited
     
    cek1987

    Wow - I'm blown away by your shoe knowledge!  When I was initially having problems, I went to a different store that does a lot of orthotics and they gave me some inserts to help take some pressure off the ball of my foot.  The guy who helped me seemed very knowledgable and made the comment that the insert that was in my shoe (progrid triumph 5) didn't match the shoe (which says just Saucony guide).  He said the inserts were actually from a "better" shoe and they were more cushioned.  I really didn't think anything of it at the time.

    Recently running I've thought the shoes felt too cushioned - like running in sand.  Now this totally makes sense.  I think I'll be heading back to the store!

    Thanks so much! 

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKDogg
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2008
     
    KDogg

    haha, thats what I do! Well, that and run

    But my issue lies with the fact that if you have a Progrid Guide and have had success with the Trigon Guide, I'm not sure what could be causing your problem. All of my customers have returned and said they actually liked the Progrid Guide a bit better because it is a little more squishy (but very similar in the other ways).

    If that is the case (that you have a Progrid Guide and not a Triumph), then I really don't know what the problem could be other than maybe they gave you a little bigger shoe or the shoes are tied differently than from how you had it before.

  2.  
    ChiefBeerHound
    As KDogg says, the Triumph and Guide have different characteristics. You'll easily be able to tell if the shoe is a Guide because it will have the grey posting on the medial (arch) side of the midsole. If you are looking for a shoe with similar fit characteristics (such as a snugger heel and midfoot but with a roomy toe box) but not as 'squishy' you should at least try on the Brooks Adrenaline GTS-8.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membercek1987
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2008
     
    cek1987

    What I have discovered is that the shoe is a Guide, but the insole is from the Triumph. 

    Not sure how that happened, or how much of my problems it's causing, but I'm planning on going back to the store to figure it out.

     Thanks guys!